Comments on: Departure side platforms and St Albans station https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/ Marcus Wong. Gunzel. Engineering geek. History nerd. Mon, 02 Dec 2024 20:32:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: The saga of lifts at Watergardens station - Waking up in Geelong https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-963180 Mon, 02 Dec 2024 20:32:09 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-963180 […] eventually grew north to Sydenham, and so in 2000 the decision was made to extend suburban trains from St Albans five kilometres north to a new station called […]

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By: When temporary platforms trump permanent stations - Waking up in Geelong https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-744483 Mon, 01 Mar 2021 20:32:08 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-744483 […] Albans once had three platforms – one for the city, a second for trains towards Watergardens, and a third turnback platform on the western […]

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By: myrtonos https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-443758 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:29:37 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-443758 In reply to Marcus Wong.

There was a similar grade separation in Geelong road, West Footscray. Again in an already built up area. It’s quite hard to cross the railway there on foot. That’s a location where rail under may have been a better choice.

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By: myrtonos https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-443757 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:25:29 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-443757 In reply to Marcus Wong.

There is still a shopping centre in Sunshine, so I wonder this is that same shopping centre that was relocated during the works. As long as there is room to relocate, an overpass will still do.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-443737 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 05:42:20 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-443737 In reply to myrtonos.

Ballarat Road and Hampshire Road in Sunshine were both 1960s projects, when the area was already built up – the latter overpass required a big chunk of the shopping centre to be demolished.

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By: myrtonos https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-443507 Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:46:36 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-443507 In reply to Marcus Wong.

Looking at the arial photo on the left, you can see that St. Albans wasn’t yet that built up in 1945.
If those level crossings were grade separated before the area was built up, they would have been much cheaper (even in today’s dollars) and much less disuptive. It would have been as simple as shifting the road level above or below the surrounding land and the railway would have stayed at ground level.
Similar grade separations were built at Sunshine station, Ballarat road, also in Sunshine, later at Taylors Road, Delahy, Kings Road, Taylors Lakes and Anderson road, again in Sunshine.

There were also road-over grade separations in areas already built up at the time, such as at West Footscray, Oakleigh and Huntingdale and these gave road overpasses across railways a bad reputation.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-411109 Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:42:44 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-411109 In reply to Warwick Brown.

I’d cut them a little slack – it took until the 1970s for St Albans to become connected to the rest of Melbourne by suburbia.

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By: William Guzman https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-410810 Fri, 15 Apr 2016 06:41:08 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-410810 The position of platforms in relation to level crossings intersection, combined with increases in train traffic along rail corridors, creates additional and longer intersection road closures; these road closures exacerbate road traffic congestion in the vicinity of railway stations level crossings, congestion which is not conducive to the efficient running of 21st century transport networks, either road or rail.

The road traffic congestion in the vicinity of station level crossings is caused by the level crossing intersection remaining closed for long intervals; the position of one of the station platforms and its relative position to the level crossing area, forces the intersection to remain closed during the unloading and loading of passengers from train carriages.

Traffic congestion at level crossings is expected to worsen in the future. The need for public transport in Melbourne, particularly the train network, will increase during the next twenty years to new heights. According to a Federal Government new audit report of Melbourne

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By: Warwick Brown https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-410771 Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:49:07 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-410771 The thing I love most about this story is that the crossing could have been separated in 59 and wasn’t (with a nice little quick fix applied instead) and that it definitely SHOULD have been in 2001 but wasn’t.

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By: andrew https://wongm.com/2016/04/departure-side-platforms-st-albans-station/#comment-410740 Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:16:04 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=6873#comment-410740 In reply to Andrew.

The delay in the booms rising behind a train is due to a design feature of modern track circuits. Modern track circuits have a built in delay – typically 2 seconds – between the train leaving the track circuit and the track circuit registering ‘clear’. This is a safety feature.

Older track circuits would register ‘clear’ as soon as the train left the track circuit. This can cause serious problems with modern short trains (e.g rail motors like the Vlocitys) which can ‘disappear’ from the track circuit for brief periods of time as they travel along. This could cause boom barriers to momentarily cease operating (and start to rise), or even a signal behind the train to momentarily clear.

The delay built into modern track circuits reduces significantly the likelihood that these problem will occur. A modern short train would have to ‘disappear’ from the track circuit for 2 seconds before problems would occur – which is very unlikely.

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