Comments on: Melbourne’s mysterious ‘City Circle’ train https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/ Marcus Wong. Gunzel. Engineering geek. History nerd. Thu, 08 Aug 2024 12:18:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Michael Walker https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-945568 Thu, 08 Aug 2024 12:18:22 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-945568 In reply to Steve.

It was a single circuit, at least off peak. An Epping train would arrive at platform 14, do a City Circle service, then form a Hurstbridge line service. Ditto, a Hurstbridge line service would arrive at platform 14, do a single City Circle service then depart for Epping. In the peak hour there would be a limited number of City Circle services running very infrequently to the point of presumably only being for operational purposes, much as they are now. The last City Circle was just after 7pm on weekdays from memory, with no City Circle services in the evening. Pretty sure Saturday trains were much the same but without the peak variant. In those days the City Loop wasn’t open Sundays so obviously no City Circle trains, although I always wondered about an odd anomaly in the original 1982 timetable which did have a couple of trains late Sunday afternoon going via the loop. These were gone by the 10 June 1984 timetable.

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By: Tony Bryer https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-862052 Sun, 05 Feb 2023 06:46:05 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-862052 Thanks for this. I got to FSS yesterday (04.02.23) and saw a City Loop train signed, so out of interest rode it all the way round back to FSS. I knew such a service existed the early days of the loop but don’t previously recall seeing it in my 14 years here.

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By: Jay https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-856248 Sat, 19 Nov 2022 02:53:26 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-856248 In reply to Marcus Wong.

That maybe correct. Is there anyone old enough to remember hehe. I think Fitzroy might have been a destination in the steam train era but not electrified. Nth Carlton was in early 1900s as per photo. According to Wiki the trains terminated at Victoria Park before a reverse run to Heidelberg (all predating the current Mernda line) this explains all the excess land next to Vic Park station and the remnants of of old overhead cable frames. Thanks 🙂

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-856156 Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:34:16 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-856156 In reply to Jay.

Also note that the destination blinds on the Tait trains had locations added and removed over the years.

https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/items/247966

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-856154 Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:32:29 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-856154 In reply to Jay.

I don’t believe the ‘City Circle’ name was ever applied to trains running around the Inner Circle – and the trains that did use the line never completed a full circle, they originated in the city and headed to Fitzroy, North Carlton, Heidelberg or Whittlesea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Circle_railway_line

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By: Jay https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-855176 Sun, 06 Nov 2022 03:43:17 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-855176 In reply to Marcus Wong.

I’m curious about the destination “city circle” because i have a feeling it pre dates the loop. The original “city circle” ran in a circle departing flinders street/ stopping at spencer st/-nth Melbourne/Royal Park/Carlton/Fitzroy/Rushall/Clifton Hill/Victoria Park/Collingwood/West Richmond / -return to flinders. (also known as inner circle) The red rattler vintage red trains (Tait trains) have city circle on their destination blinds (and they were on the rails 1920s-1980’s ! 🙂

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By: Tom the first and best https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-847504 Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:25:58 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-847504 In reply to Marcus Wong.

This map from the 1969 Melbourne Transportation Plan has the proposed tunnel with proposed Fitzroy station location and proposed connections Clifton Hill and the proposed East Doncaster line:

https://prov.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/Blog/Research/1969-Transport-Plan-LOOP%20web.jpg

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-847419 Sun, 21 Aug 2022 01:11:43 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-847419 In reply to Tom the first and best.

This early City Loop diagram shows the proposed single track connection to Victoria Park.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MelbourneTrains/comments/fxj5kt/old_plans_for_the_city_loop/

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By: gjh https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-845539 Mon, 08 Aug 2022 10:49:55 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-845539 Occasionally recorded in-train announcements when approaching Richmond on a train from the Frankston line inform us to change at Richmond for (amongst all the other lines) “City Circle” trains. They mean “City Loop” of course. I’m not sure, but I think this is limited to some of the Comeng trains. It’s in the same category as the announcements at Richmond telling us that the train is “stopping all stations to Flinders St”.

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By: Tom the first and best https://wongm.com/2022/08/melbournes-mysterious-city-circle-train/#comment-845405 Sun, 07 Aug 2022 14:28:04 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=19876#comment-845405 The only way that the City Circle track connecting Flinders St and Parliament would have been widely useful would be if the following thing had also happened:

The Museum/Melbourne Central to Clifton Hill via Fitzroy tunnel had been built.

A corresponding Clifton Hill to Parliament tunnel via Fitzroy had been built.

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