Comments on: Extending the third track from Box Hill to Ringwood https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/ Marcus Wong. Gunzel. Engineering geek. History nerd. Tue, 27 Jul 2021 05:33:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Jesse M https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-767965 Tue, 27 Jul 2021 05:33:32 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-767965 I still think you could pull it off getting a third track to Ringwood with existing infrastructure. The nunawadding reservation is the most important one, being located almost exactly halfway between Box Hill and Ringwood. I am imagining an overpass track to the side, only for the Nunawadding stretch, such that a staggered timetable of local/express sees the Local train arrive at Nunawadding as the express overtakes it. Since the cadence between trains will remain at about 3 minutes, they naturally catch up to each other in either direction around Nunawadding. The tangle of tracks and signals, especially in evening peak, to have the express train cross the inbound tracks, is very not ideal, but that sort of dance will always be inevitable with some express lines located in the middle (East Richmond, Laburnum) and some located at the edges (Glenferrie). An overtaking lane, with some serious timetable re-jigging, would give close to triplicated services, on the morning schedule at least!

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By: Upgrading Melbourne's railway network in the 1970s - Waking up in Geelong https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-745206 Mon, 08 Mar 2021 20:33:24 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-745206 […] The third platform at Ringwood – that didn’t happen until 1999. And a third track from Box Hill to Ringwood – the Middleborough Road Project of 2007 left space for it, but subsequent upgrades have kicked the idea off into the never-never. […]

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By: Robbie https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-742176 Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:50:07 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-742176 In reply to Marcus Wong.

That’s exactly what they’re doing. A few people have asked questions about future quadruplication, and they’ve stated that adding space for a fourth track would require property acquisitions, so it’s not needed. They’re so afraid of NIMBYism and the Sun Herald they’re throwing out the PTV Network Development Plan.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-587600 Mon, 20 Jan 2020 11:05:39 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-587600 In reply to Nick Zigouras.

Knowing the Level Crossing Removal Authority it’ll be a three track wide trench with three platform stations, and no room for expansion.

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By: Nick Zigouras https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-587536 Mon, 20 Jan 2020 04:55:43 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-587536 Once they do the Level Crossings at Mont Albert and Surrey Hills the option of fourth track is obvious.

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By: Tom the first and best https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-535682 Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:54:30 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-535682 In reply to Marcus Wong.

Hawthorn, Glenferrie and Auburn can all accommodate the 4th track without demolishing the existing stations as Hawthorn had a station yard and space hwas been left for the track when the rest of the yard land was sold off and Glenferrie and Auburn were designed for 4 tracks. The biggest problem is getting a modern straight platform at Glenferrie, where most expresses stop because of Swinburne and the major shopping strip, it might require building the platform over Glenferrie Rd.

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By: Express trains and Melbourne's suburban sprawl - Waking up in Geelong https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-533927 Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:32:15 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-533927 […] Lilydale and Belgrave share a third track as far as Box Hill, allowing express trains to overtake all stations […]

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-532926 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 10:15:18 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-532926 In reply to Robbie.

Converting three platforms and three tracks into four tracks with just two platforms looks to be the only way you’d squeeze through the likes of Glenferrie and Auburn – good luck with building over the top of the existing shops though!

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By: Robbie https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-532767 Thu, 04 Jul 2019 11:58:18 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-532767 In reply to Tommy Bent.

The extra platform at Camberwell can go where the yard is now. There is plenty of room between Camberwell and Burnley for four tracks, provided that the upgrade is designed so that the outer pair of tracks are designated as Express tracks (no platforms needed) and the inner pair become Local tracks. From Camberwell to Box Hill it’s a bit more awkward, and the additional track would have to sometimes go to the north and sometimes to the south, but it’ll fit. The best approach would be to combine that with grade separation of the two remaining level crossings and bury the line between Mont Albert and Chatham, combining Mont Albert with Surrey Hills as the two stations are quite close together.

Melbourne’s rail infrastructure is held back by four things:
– a lack of an innovative and competent public sector that is willing to look at best practices from overseas (particulary non-English speaking countries like Switzerland)
– a refusal to use more flexible track geometry (e.g. curved turnouts) and bidirectional signalling
– a lack of political will to just get the job done already
– a mass media organisation that criticises any kind of expenditure on the public good, churning out fear-mongering headlines and buzzwords that sway public opinion into NIMBY-ism

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2019/06/extending-the-third-track-from-box-hill-to-ringwood/#comment-531036 Fri, 28 Jun 2019 02:45:42 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=12817#comment-531036 In reply to Beren.

As for the capacity constraints – it doesn’t really matter if you are ‘throwing away’ track capacity by running express and stopping trains, if there aren’t more passengers waiting to use the trains. That applied back in the 1990s, but not so much today.

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