Comments on: Poor planning replacing the City Loop lifts https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/ Marcus Wong. Gunzel. Engineering geek. History nerd. Wed, 18 Apr 2018 04:59:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-435240 Mon, 10 Apr 2017 02:05:45 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-435240 In reply to Kevin.

Some similar analysis has been done for high-rise apartment blocks vs low density houses:

http://www.thefifthestate.com.au/articles/high-rise-living-%E2%80%93-is-it-the-sustainable-answer/20345

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-433582 Mon, 27 Feb 2017 04:38:34 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-433582 In reply to Rob.

I also spotted these signs at North Melbourne the other day, reminding train drivers to make an announcement.

'Driver reminder: lift upgrades FGS and PAR announcement required' sign at the entrance to the City Loop at North Melbourne

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-433581 Mon, 27 Feb 2017 04:37:47 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-433581 In reply to Rob.

Centralised messages from the control centre are a recent addition in the last year or so – I believe a feature of the new Digital Train Radio System? I’ve also head them used in the lead up to level crossing removal shutdowns.

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By: Kevin https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-432611 Sun, 05 Feb 2017 07:56:00 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-432611 In reply to rohan storey.

It would be interesting to compare the environmental specifications of lifts versus ramps, such as energy consumption and efficiency. I suspect ramps would be more beneficial, environmentally, especially if covered appropriately to reduce heat radiation from concrete surfaces.

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By: Daniel https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-432605 Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:30:22 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-432605 In reply to Rob.

Some announcements are by drivers, but centralised broadcast announcements are being rolled-out and have been heard on some trains. They usually begin with something like “This is Bernadette from the network control centre”.

Whoever wrote the announcements has given it some thought, ensuring that the key word “lift” is included multiple times for those who mishear the initial part of the announcement about “Parliament and Flagstaff” and “not available”/”closed”.

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By: Rob https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-432595 Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:02:17 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-432595 As a daily user of Parliament Station (boarding there to travel to Southern Cross in AM and reverse in PM) I’ve witnessed that the on-station announcements are very frequent, and there are platform staff on both levels who attend to each train. The announcements direct people to press the red button in case there aren’t people on the platform. Whilst it’s inevitable that some people will get caught out, to me it seems that the on-station info has been managed as well as it can have been, and not really worthy of this much of a beat up.

Re on train announcements: I’ve been on a few trains where driver announced lift closure at Flagstaff between Parliament and Melb Central – the issued statement did seem a bit too long for someone to read whilst driving a train.

Rather than relying on drivers, MTM or PTV really ought to have some means to broadcast a centralised message over the trains PA in the same way that Yarra Trams do

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By: rohan storey https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-432585 Sat, 04 Feb 2017 02:29:45 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-432585 In reply to Marcus Wong.

o dear the parliament station lifts never smelled bad ! but I suppose theyre staffed !! i mean the stations.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-432553 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 06:19:51 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-432553 In reply to rohan storey.

Headed downhill with a pram I prefer the ramp to a lift – it doesn’t stink of piss, and I don’t have to worry about the lift breaking down.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-432552 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 06:17:19 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-432552 In reply to Rohan Storey.

Hong Kong’s MTR network used stair lifts at station entrances to provide access for wheelchairs – the problem is that they require a staff member to operate, hence don’t provide independent mobility to all. As a result they were only used as an interim fix until the $$$ was spent to retrofit lifts.

http://www.checkerboardhill.com/2013/10/hong-kong-mtr-disabled-access/

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2017/01/poor-planning-city-loop-lift-replacement/#comment-432551 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 06:14:46 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=7545#comment-432551 In reply to Thede3jay.

Redundant access being the key point.

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