Comments on: Off-peak services and the Metro Tunnel https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/ Marcus Wong. Gunzel. Engineering geek. History nerd. Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:38:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-956792 Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:38:25 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-956792 In reply to Tim Hoffmann.

I believe that was dependant on a turnback being built at Gowrie as part of the “Wider Network Enhancements” package, but it got descoped.

https://wongm.com/2022/11/wider-network-enhancements-and-the-metro-tunnel-project/

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By: Tim Hoffmann https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-956787 Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:25:13 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-956787 What was post metro the proposed service for the upfield line? I think I remember seeing a poster with ‘6tph’.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-952431 Sun, 29 Sep 2024 10:25:31 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-952431 In reply to Pauciflora.

The section of third track at West Footscray isn’t particularly long, with the section behind the centre platform being designed as a siding for a ‘hot standby’ train to wait pending deployment towards the city.

New signals WFY743, WFY741 and WFY739 at the down end of West Footscray

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-952430 Sun, 29 Sep 2024 10:23:43 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-952430 In reply to Jordan.

Using the Bunbury Street tunnel was proposed as an alternative to building Regional Rail Link in the 2010s by the likes of Paul Mees, who believed we could just sweat our existing assets harder rather than building more tracks.

https://australasiantransportresearchforum.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2010_Mees.pdf

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By: Pauciflora https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-952406 Sun, 29 Sep 2024 06:36:25 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-952406 I suspect that they have a plan regarding repurposing the West Footscray turnback post MARL.

It has track connections to both tracks, at both ends, which would allow express services to overtake stopping all stations services in peak direction. Obviously that would delay the stops all train unless the third track was extended towards Tottenham, but in ten years it would be a great political pledge:

“Faster Airport trains for free”

Surely a vote winner! Just don’t tell the thousands whose journey became 2 minutes longer…

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By: Jordan https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-952131 Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:26:32 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-952131 could an idea be to use the Bunbury St tunnel for peak services to Melton and West Werribee? I know this is supposed to be freight only but for 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours in the evening doesn’t seem all that unreasonable. who knows in the future, they may make a parallel Bunbury St tunnel for passenger services into the city

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By: indigohex3 https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-950903 Fri, 20 Sep 2024 02:13:16 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-950903 In reply to Marcus Wong.

Technically, you are correct, but if there are issues beyond West Footscray, then the turnback would be required, so even when the line to the Airport is finished, the turnback would still be needed in case of emergencies.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-950662 Thu, 19 Sep 2024 00:26:17 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-950662 In reply to Malcolm M.

As for what happens with electrified Melton and West Werribee line trains – the Melbourne Airport Rail business case considered thee options:

https://bigbuild.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/710179/MAR-Business-Case-Main-Document.pdf

– Option 1: Metro Tunnel – connecting to the CBD via Sunbury tracks and the Metro Tunnel.
-­ Option 2: Regional Rail Link (RRL) – connecting to the CBD via the existing RRL track pair to Southern Cross Station.
– Option 3: Sunshine Tunnel – connecting to the CBD via a new tunnel to Southern Cross Station.

So an extra track pair inbound from Sunshine via tunnel is another possibility.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-950661 Thu, 19 Sep 2024 00:23:45 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-950661 In reply to Malcolm M.

At Sunshine they’d have to terminate in platform 2, change ends, then head back towards outbound trains a few hundred metres before they get to the crossover back to the citybound track.

EDI Comeng 472 on a City Loop service at Sunshine platform 2

So possible, but not really the most efficient operation – so I suspect they’ll just terminate at West Footscray instead.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2024/09/off-peak-services-metro-tunnel-melbourne/#comment-950660 Thu, 19 Sep 2024 00:18:56 +0000 https://wongm.com/?p=22461#comment-950660 In reply to Me.

The eastern suburbs did get their branch lines built 100+ years ago when the suburbs out there were being built, so can’t really say it’s a horrible idea.

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